Basecamp

[**Fighter**]

Hello Soldner Players,


i played yesterday after a longer brake from Soldner and there are still some people that cant live with our Server Rule "No Basecamp".

I read arguments like bascamp is a part of Soldner.
The missions in this game are not to basecamp the people out of the game.
Basecamp ruins the fun, i remember when i started Soldner, i was so pissed about basecamping that i didnt play Soldner for 3 month.
I play many other games and i dont know any game that is programmed for Basecamping.

If we play Capture the Flag the mission is to get the flag and not to make the most kills with basecamp. If you want only kills play Deathmatch.

Think about it if the guys who get a basecamp having fun, if they spawn up to die many times.

Conquest is different, there you maybe spawn up to get killed but because the base is going to get captured.

I wrote that here in the english area because the most problems come from USA player. And its not nice when this people who dont like the rules leave the server and talking bad about MCF on other servers.
The few players we have we should stay together and not starting to fight with words.
MCF pays the server, its our thing how we run it.

You can buy a server youreself and call it Basecamp.

I still dont get it, whats so cool with basecamping?
For basecamping you need no skill, its more interesting to let people out of there bases and let them a chance, think about it!

**Fighter**=MCF= alc

Edit:

I hope i get here some infos from both sides, to hear what speaks for and against Basecamp.

[Angelus]

If it's your server and your rules, isn't it your job to enforce the rules as well?
I mean, most of the people ignoring the rules won't read your post here anyway. Just ban them.

[**Fighter**]

I know and exact thats the problem, if we enforce the rules other bascamper start to make trouble on the server, calling us noobs or going against the admins.

And there are some guys we thought they are our friends but still playing against the rules and starting trouble. They want that we drop the rule because the game is dieng in there words.

[Angelus]

If you ban them, they can't call you noobs anymore. They also can't go after the admins. If they come back, they've ignored a server ban, which, if I remember correctly, leads to a (temporary?) portal ban if you report it here. Tell them what consequences they're facing if they ignore YOUR rules on YOUR server, then, if they persist, ban their asses.
You wouldn't want someone who keeps stealing or keeps smashing your stuff to come back into your house, do you?

If you're unwilling to enforce the server rules, then why do you have those rules in the first place? Stating rules without the intent to follow through is futile. "Don't basecamp. Nothing will happen if you do, but still, don't do it." Would you follow a rule like that? What do you think would happen if stealing was not punished by the police?

Of course, I'm not trying to lay the blame on you. Basecamping just for the kills is despicable. I just want to point out the futility of complaining about a situation that you're not willing to fix yourself. They're your rules. Make people follow them or face the consequences. Don't let them tap-dance on your nose just because you're afraid to lose fellow players. I don't know about you, but I want my team- and playmates to play fair, not spoiling everyone's fun. People who play with me to make me angry are not my friends. People who come to my house and not follow the rules I set up for the time they're here aren't either. They are people waiting to get kicked out and never invited again.

My point being: either remove the rules and let everyone do as they please, or keep the rules and enforce them. Keeping the rules but not punishing it when they're ignored won't make things change.

Personally, I don't get the point in killing just for the hell of it, it's just as retarded as spamming for post-count. A high kill rate is no measurement for skill. It's a semi-arbitrary number stating nothing more than that you can point somewhere and click the right button. If this number is more important to you than to have fun along with everyone else, get the **** out of my server. If you kill me in my base, then grab the flag and capture it, fair enough, well done to you. If you can sneak around the defenses me and my team have set up and capture the point, congratulations. If all you're doing is laying on the side of a mountain and kill everyone in sight without moving for 10 minutes straight, beat it. Putting your crosshairs over someone and clicking doesn't make you a pro. Not noticing that another sniper with far less practice just took shots at you and missed does not make you a pro. Laying perfectly still while getting shot at from a guy with thermal goggles does not require skill (at least not in a game), it's just plain stupid.

[**Fighter**]

Youre last part i see the same. thumbsup

The reason why i posted here i want to see how other people see it and maybe the people who like Basecamp are man enough to tell us why they destroy other players fun.
I guess they are selfish, because they have fun but dont look how the guys feel who are basecamped.

Ok i tell you what happened yesterday another admin from MCF kicked a guy, later we follow them on the server, there they calling MCF noobs only because that kick. He call me noob, but i didnt done the kick to him, iam admin but it wasnt me. Because they have no arguments against a kick or ban they call the whole clan noobs. What i hate with that, they make bad propaganda against MCF, maybe other people step away from our server and i guess some clans going down allready because people like that.

[Cracker]

Youre last part i see the same. thumbsup

The reason why i posted here i want to see how other people see it and maybe the people who like Basecamp are man enough to tell us why they destroy other players fun.

sadly a huge percentage are not man enough

[davedy]

Camping was is now and for ever well be.
Camping the spawn point with long-range gun is the first thing a NOOB learns to do.
This is the only way to get kills and stay alive for a little while. In any open or fare fight noobs just die a lot. Now if after playing for say 3 months a player has not moved on to why this is still the best WAR GAME available, well if it looks like a duck and it acts like a duck then I guess it is still a duck. Now Spawn Camping with a Little Bird takes some skill, a tank at long range is just a NOOB First Class.
Now we all not that Capture The Flag or Vehicle is just asking for spawn camping went the flag or vehicle is near the spawn.
The MCF sever was and I think still is set with a long blue spawn life say 20 seconds witch is the best defense against campers. Maybe you should set it as long as you can so you have plenty of time to buy some thing and get in it or run off into the trees or hills.
Now that you are out of the base the first thing to do is kill the campers.
The only bad thing about this game is that there are NO noobs. Every one playing now has been playing for 2 to 5 years and is near experts at just about every thing.
As I see it.
Option 1: Play Conquest.
Option 2: Suck it up and kill the campers.
Option 3: Keep complaining.

I think the rule should read. Please do not Spawn kill.
I think banning will never work. Basecamping is a broad term to cover all the ways that I do not want to get killed if I am near the spawn base. Banning is only a way to make a inconsiderate player mad, not change his or her mind.

=[A51]=davedy
Words to play by.
Do not read.
If you must read. Do not type.
If you are typing, you are not playing.
So just play the game and have fun.

[**Fighter**]

Yes thats right with our spawn save time, the bad thing is what happened to me, i was going in a vehicle and didnt saw that there was an enemy tank in our spawn, i get in boom dead.

Thats the bad thing if we have to ban someone its one player less of the few players that can play on our server.

And i guess you know the people i mean who make all the time trouble.

[Angelus]

Thats the bad thing if we have to ban someone its one player less of the few players that can play on our server.

As I said before: do you WANT to play with people who can't stick to the rules you set up?
I think if someone needs to be banned because they can't follow the rules (and thus, can't play along with everyone else), their permanent departure is not a loss.

Regarding the situation with MCF getting a bad rep: go out on other servers, play fair, play nice. Don't flame if you're being called a noob. Don't start or get into an argument. Just play well. Coordinate your team. Show everyone that the sucker who's insulting your clan is wrong. Don't tell everyone. Show them.
That's not to say "Go on public servers and kill everything without giving other players a chance". Organize your team, perform multi-angled strikes with public players. Don't basecamp, get the objective and move on, etc. You all know how to play fair.

[fischkopp]

Basecampers should be banned, no doubt about it! drill

But its a Problem when u play CTF and the flag lies in the middle of the base. To get there, you have to kill enemys in their base. But u also call(ed?) this basecamping.

Besides camping intends to be at the same place for a longer time