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What was the reason for cancellation?Can anything be done to salvage soldner 2?Is there a probability someone else will pick it up?Why say soldner2 is comming just to cancel it at last moment.
-=Grosser_Feh=-
23.10.2007, 07:03
there has been no official statement, neither from Jowood nor from gEasy and there probably wont be any. due to that fact the only thing we could do is to guess, some ppl guessed it was a money issue, others said that Jowood wanted to release the game at a status of developent that it could have ended like soldner 1...
I say, you had to be stupid to not see it coming!
And the bad ting about it all I was actually looking forward to it, just after the teaser video and webpage.
What gets me is Jowood are still displaying Soldner 2 on there web?? So they must have something in the pipeline?
Also I think its a bit weak if the team can't even face their fan/community and let us know the whats going on.
dann right on the money with those last commits, jowood be dissen us !!!
:rock:
SecretSource
11.11.2007, 21:38
I'm sure you were already told that Soldner 2 was vaporware.
This is what happens when a company gives control over to a mod team in a gamble to see if the Soldner franchise can be maintained cheaply.
PZ was an incompetant mod team. Their desert warfare mod was never close to complete at any time.
gEasy was even worse. Did you even SEE their website? It's a barrel of laughs when you know what they really are in reality.
I have to give them all props for conning the equivilant of USD 100,000 from Jowood, although only a few people within the mod team got that money.
What did geasy/pz introduce? A few map changes (mostly for the worse). Stinger and TOW stands directly copied from BF2. A claimed fix bug list that was nowhere near reality. They had very little ability to create bugfixes. Once this began to be noticed and called out on (I recall some people posting lists of simple bugs in the game) they claimed that Soldner 1 could not be patched further because of work on "Soldner 2."
The truth is, they really had no ability to maintain Soldner, so they cloaked their work in lies. Take the "trailer" for Soldner 2 that was just re-used cutscene from Soldner 1.
I'm sure that the party will end shortly from now, you've just seen the deathrattle. I've followed Soldner because I hoped to get one of my teams involved with the license and actually do something groundbreaking with it, but the odds now of it being transferred into my area are nil thanks to the antics of the mod teams with gigantic egos and delusions of grandeur.
-anonymous development contractor
Liquid Cobalt
11.11.2007, 22:59
Dude, you got no idea what gEasy really did.
The trailer was not done by them and they didn't like it either. BTW where in SSW1 did you see that trailer?
They have been working on SSW2. I know because i was part of the team for some time. I left some months ago because i didn't have enough time besides my other work, and they demanded more than i could do in my spare time! How does this fit to not working on it?
Tow and Stinger stand copied from BF2? Hmm, so i guess we should not have an M4/AK74/AWM/Glock/USP... because they are copied from CS???
Stop flaming around. Why don't you tell us the name of your team? Is there any team? Guess not!
Afrika, Tostitos or Targetfarget?? Come on.
SecretSource
12.11.2007, 00:23
Dude, you got no idea what gEasy really did.
The trailer was not done by them and they didn't like it either. BTW where in SSW1 did you see that trailer?
I can't find anywhere where they said this, but I can find several places where they did claim it was theirs.
It wasn't shown in the finished copy of Soldner 1, but I am well aware (and so should you be) that it is an unfinished trailer from the first game. Hence the lack of certain elements such as bullet effects, pilots in the helicopter, and a general incohesiveness.
They have been working on SSW2. I know because i was part of the team for some time. I left some months ago because i didn't have enough time besides my other work, and they demanded more than i could do in my spare time! How does this fit to not working on it??
I'll give you a hundred bucks if you can produce just ten screenshots of the work in progress. Lulz.
Tow and Stinger stand copied from BF2? Hmm, so i guess we should not have an M4/AK74/AWM/Glock/USP... because they are copied from CS???
You're making a decent attempt at an argument here, unfortunately you seem to have picked it up off the truck of fail. The tow and stinger stands were added after BF2 was released (long after) and were essentially the only new content that gEasy/PZ added. Oh, wait, they put a TOW launcher on a Humvee. Good golly miss molly GEE.
Stop flaming around. Why don't you tell us the name of your team? Is there any team? Guess not!
Why should I go public with my credentials for someone as petty as you?
Afrika, Tostitos or Targetfarget?? Come on.
Not sure who you're talking about here, but it seems to be common form on this forum to accuse anyone who doesn't toe the current line of propaganda of being one of a few 'troublemakers' everything is blamed on. I see that tactic employed frequently when people in charge of something have things to hide, everyone needs a scapegoat then.
Liquid Cobalt just had it handed to him on a plate
BURN!
:rock:
SecretSource
12.11.2007, 01:45
Liquid Cobalt just had it handed to him on a plate
:rock:
Saying that doesn't make it so, and it wasn't nearly. ;)
I can't find anywhere where they said this, but I can find several places where they did claim it was theirs.
I suppose you should either improve your reading skills or stop using google translations - you may also show us, were such a statement is made, but that might turn out a bit difficult.
It wasn't shown in the finished copy of Soldner 1, but I am well aware (and so should you be) that it is an unfinished trailer from the first game. Hence the lack of certain elements such as bullet effects, pilots in the helicopter, and a general incohesiveness.
Thats fanciful at best - I´d call it a lie, but you didn´t ask me, did you?
I'll give you a hundred bucks if you can produce just ten screenshots of the work in progress. Lulz.
how mature...
You're making a decent attempt at an argument here, unfortunately you seem to have picked it up off the truck of fail. The tow and stinger stands were added after BF2 was released (long after) and were essentially the only new content that gEasy/PZ added. Oh, wait, they put a TOW launcher on a Humvee. Good golly miss molly GEE.
More equipment for a game that has multiple times the stuff available in BF-2? Yeah super important right.... Frontline-gamemode? Superconquest? Ah, I forgot - gamemodes are no content. What´s next? - You telling us the commandermode was stolen from BF2? :rolleyes:
Why should I go public with my credentials for someone as petty as you?
- I´m not Cobalt but I´d like a new idol, too.
Not sure who you're talking about here, but it seems to be common form on this forum to accuse anyone who doesn't toe the current line of propaganda of being one of a few 'troublemakers' everything is blamed on. I see that tactic employed frequently when people in charge of something have things to hide, everyone needs a scapegoat then.
no comment, just wondering...
cheers
MorGotH
Eyewitness
12.11.2007, 10:16
Damn, that's going to be interesting. Everyone knows this is fake. And if it is no fake then it is unbelievable inability working with the community. Unimportant in which direction it will go, it is going to be interesting. ;)
<- waiting for the next flame post.
SecretSource
12.11.2007, 10:53
I suppose you should either improve your reading skills or stop using google translations - you may also show us, were such a statement is made, but that might turn out a bit difficult.
I've noticed a few people on your forum saying that the trailer was re-used from Soldner 1, and some mod said that it was newly made for Soldner 2. I'm not going to bother to search for it, if you want to challenge what I say, you have to back it up.
Thats fanciful at best - I´d call it a lie, but you didn´t ask me, did you?
Prove it wrong.
how mature...
There's nothing immature about saying that I'll give money to someone who can prove something. Since the thing I am offering $ for proof of doesn't exist, I am quite sure that my filthy lucre is safe.
More equipment for a game that has multiple times the stuff available in BF-2? Yeah super important right.... Frontline-gamemode? Superconquest? Ah, I forgot - gamemodes are no content. What´s next? - You telling us the commandermode was stolen from BF2?
You fail. Let's see what I am saying: "The only things added by the failed mod team that came anywhere near substance were stinger stands and tow missile stations, which appear to be directly copied from BF2."
You then compare the entire game to BF2 in an attempt to fight my brutally correct statement. That's a horrible logical failure and you should be greatly ashamed of yourself. Please check into a local community college and see if they have any classes on basic reasoning, critical thinking, etc. I am not talking about the entire game, I am talking about the lack of any real work by PZ/Geasy.
I'm not surprised if they managed to fool you, seeing as they managed to fake "progress, just around the horizon! we swear!" well enough to con Jowood out of some money. However, I noticed a lot of people on this board who insisted that SSW2 was not and would not be vaporware, flaming anyone who spoke to the contrary- where are they now?
Reading this post and not saying anything because they are either in denial or don't want to look foolish and admit that they were wrong, wrong, wrong. :P
Edited to add: Hell, let's make it interesting. $200 for proof of Soldner 2 work, and I don't mean a bunch of 3DS models set up in Poser. ;)
I've noticed a few people on your forum saying that the trailer was re-used from Soldner 1, and some mod said that it was newly made for Soldner 2. I'm not going to bother to search for it, if you want to challenge what I say, you have to back it up.
Yap, you noticed people and missed the officials stating otherwise. I don´t have to back up anything, it´s not me who puts forward false pretences and refuses to prove them in the first place.
Prove it wrong.
Again - you claim to have done something - you´re the one to prove it.
The rest of your post is a pretty bad reference for a guy arguing on maturity. At least I´ve some reputation here and I´ve a clue what I´m talking about, but you seem very eager to prove that you don´t. But go on maybe you´ll find someone .... enough to believe you. As far as you offer is concerned - you know that offering money for informations that are under a NDA is illegal? And besides of that the ammount you offer is a joke, compared to the NDA penalties.
-Don´t get me wrong. I´m not arguing with you - I just set some things straight, even if you don´t see it that way. Unlike you, I don´t need to legitimate what I say or do - and if you´ve problems understanding why - take a look at my profile.
Cheers
MorGotH
PS: btw. I stumbled across your post in the german board. Besides of telling you that the quality of your translation is extremly poor (i don´t think anyone will understand what you posted), I´d like you to know that there is no need for crossposting - stop it.
The fact that some anomynous development contractor, while still seeing his desire for staying anomynous as legitimate, apparently needs to join a forum and, basically, troll it, kind of gives me the idea that "development contractor" is actually not true.
I'm with Eyewitness on this. And as I said in the german thread: Don't feed the trolls.
Liquid Cobalt
12.11.2007, 15:44
Dude, how many menulayouts, screens, textures and modells for SSW 2 do you want to see? I wish i was allowed to show 'em to you and everybody else. But i signed a NDA, wich is lying in a drawer no 20 cm / 8 inches to my left hand and still valid!
Why you should go public with your credentials? To show some balls???
Must be a very serious dev. contractor that is not even able to find anybody to translate his gibberish in an understandable way! Germany is one of the bigger markets for software, so there must be a better way than using google or any other free translation to communicate in a german forum for a "serious dev. contractor"!?! Not one sentence there made any sense.
Got any idea what you talking 'bout regarding models? E Frontiers Poser uses it's own proprietary format for models, not 3DS. You CAN export them as 3DS, MAX, LWO, and i guess OBJ and several other formats though! Poser was not used on the modelling for SSW 2 but another 3 D S oftware was. I would have preferred Lightwave, but most of the other modellers are used to 3DS MAX.
And this is it for me. I don't have to prove anything to you. Most people here know me for long enough to know i won't be bullshitting 'bout this topic.
SecretSource
13.11.2007, 09:23
I'm afraid "I have proof but it's a secret" stopped working sometime in kindergarten.
Eyewitness
13.11.2007, 10:06
Where's your signature gone? :eek:
Liquid Cobalt
13.11.2007, 17:08
I'm afraid "I have proof but it's a secret" stopped working sometime in kindergarten.
You mean like in " I am a development contractor but won't tell my name/ my companies name! "? thumbsup
http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/Care-O-Meter.jpg
Hahaha, man I haven't laughed this much in ages :D
http://www.igophoto.net/xor/images/_giveahey2qt.gif
That was a clasic
SecretSource
13.11.2007, 22:09
You mean like in " I am a development contractor but won't tell my name/ my companies name! "? thumbsup
That comment might be topical if this thread were about my credentials, but it isn't.
This thread is about how Soldner 2 was vaporware from the get-go, and how there are people who "claim" to have proof but "can't" show it because of super secret squirrel restrictions. Remember those kids from school? "My dad bought me a Porsche... but I can't show you 'cause I left it at my grandma's house... and she lives three states over."
Eyewitness
13.11.2007, 22:13
Dude, u're killing me. Everyone u post I can't stop laughing! ALC
How can someone be sooooo ****ed up? thumbsup
SecretSource
13.11.2007, 23:13
I dunno. At least I don't have cattle cars and showers in MY history, now that's ****ed up.. ;)
Liquid Cobalt
14.11.2007, 00:01
http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/impress.jpg
If you HAD anything to do with development of software you'd know about the meaning of a NDA.
Apparently you got no idea about this or either you wouldn't talk crap like that!
http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/14185836mf1.jpgThe only vaporware i smell is that swirling around in some head i won't talk about in detail, because the source of that smell is oh so secret!
SecretSource
14.11.2007, 02:20
[IMG]http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/impress.jpg
If you HAD anything to do with development of software you'd know about the meaning of a NDA.
Apparently you got no idea about this or either you wouldn't talk crap like that!
[IMG]http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/14185836mf1.jpgThe only vaporware i smell is that swirling around in some head i won't talk about in detail, because the source of that smell is oh so secret!
I see you have been eagerly waiting for a chance to bust out the image macros, cobald..
http://shmorky.com/comics/big20060622.gif
Yes, I know what a NDA is. I'm also aware that if you had a NDA and were doing work for a genuine commercial game like what Soldner 2 would have been if it existed, you would have the payment information to prove it.. or do you also want us to believe that you were working for free?
(Because, commercial quality games are always produced by distributed mod teams working for nothing. Right.)
Ratcheese
14.11.2007, 04:25
What would be necessary to aquire this engine and get this thing started again? Who would need to contacted, who owns the rights to the engine now? How would one go about all this? I'd also like to know around how much all this would cost. Anyone know?
So what has to happen to get Soldner 2 finished and on the market.Does anybody know what will have to take place to get this done.Is there anybody persuing this.Is it a matter of getting an investor to put some capital down.Or is there just too many obstacles and soldner 1 will be all we ever have.
So what has to happen to get Soldner 2 finished and on the market.Does anybody know what will have to take place to get this done.Is there anybody persuing this.Is it a matter of getting an investor to put some capital down.Or is there just too many obstacles and soldner 1 will be all we ever have.
Söldner is "dead" as far as Jowood is concerned. They own all the rights, so nobody except of them can create a successor using their licenses. That means if gEasy ever publishes a game it won´t be called Södner - but chances are pretty good it will feel like it ;)
So in a nutshell:
-chances that there will ever be a Söldner 2 done by Jowood are 0
-gEasy is not going to disband, and has an own title in mind
-they currently have no publisher
It´s close to scrying, but I hope that gEasy finds a new partner soon. I´ll consider their title then my personal successor of Söldner - even if they won´t be allowed calling it that way, but that´s something everyone should decide for himself.
@SecretSource:
You´ve been told the truth in this thread several times and yet you refuse to believe it due to "insuffiecent proof" - They only reason for me letting you continue here is that your posts as a "develpoment contractor" here provide some sort of entertainment. And btw. it shows what hell of a game söldner is, since the same people keep returning here all the time...
Cheers
MorGotH
Liquid Cobalt
14.11.2007, 11:58
http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/bunnycry.jpghttp://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/41.jpg
I guess i have to call you the http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/king-o-thread.jpg
NOT!
http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/47x19wl.gif
This reminds me of the time when I worked in kindergarten. Both of you.
Liquid Cobalt
14.11.2007, 17:16
Just having fun!:p
SecretSource
14.11.2007, 23:58
http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/bunnycry.jpghttp://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/41.jpg
I guess i have to call you the http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/king-o-thread.jpg
NOT!
http://home.arcor.de/liquidcobalt/47x19wl.gif
Wow man. Your prose, it just....wait...I have to collect myself a little, I'm, I'm trying not to tear up at the beauty of what you wrote.
Sometimes you come across something so profound, so...right, that it simply can't be denied. You have touched my heart, and I am made the better man for it. Tell me your name sir, so that I might shout it to the world. I wish to set aside several acres and build a monument to you, perhaps a small temple so that I might worship you as the god you so obviously are.
Could you send me your photo? The least I could do is to have your face tattooed, nay, BURNED into my flesh, so that I might never forget the majestic wit and philosophical gravitas that you posess.
May your mind stay as sharp as you have displayed in this post, and may you go on the meet your destiny which will be surely as great as the words you have deigned to give us all.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Ratcheese
15.11.2007, 06:30
Ok. So Jowood owns the rights to soldner 2 in it's current state. I assume that also means they would be the ones to contact in order to acquire the engine correct? Any person at the company in particular?
Ok. So Jowood owns the rights to soldner 2 in it's current state. I assume that also means they would be the ones to contact in order to acquire the engine correct? Any person at the company in particular?
I don´t know if they have any rights on the engine used (I suppose not) and due to JWs own little war against gEasy one can only guess how much code is rightfully theirs.
But they own the rights on the title and technically on the code developed until the break up with gEasy, as far as I know. I can´t tell you who to contact best, because since Berges post in the german board I´ve reason to doubt that many sane people work there.
Cheers
MorGotH
Well I have posted in the Jowood Forum asking them
http://forum.jowood.com/showthread.php?t=149327
In a forum topic called General Questions to JoWooD
http://forum.jowood.com/forumdisplay.php?f=283
Still no answer :D I say you all do the same and they may see it is a wanted game and get the job done thumbsup
Painless
22.11.2007, 18:01
It's been a looooong time since I have been here. Soldner died for me years ago when it became difficult to play from the United States.
I really can't see Jowood making a Soldner 2. The original Soldner took a nosedive when Jowood disbanded Wings (Soldners original creator). The game didn't sell well then, what make's anyone think it will sell any better now?
Unless of course Soldner is HUGE in Europe? But by the looks of this forum, it has shrunk in size considerably. I remember 2 years ago when this board was flooded daily.
The game didn't sell well then, what make's anyone think it will sell any better now?
Hmm....I've heard and seen that Soldner wasn't sold so badly. Maybe you should take a look at Teut Weidemanns (Wings) GCDC 2004: Söldner Post Mortem (http://www.teut.net/Web-Site/Teut%20Talks_files/GCDC2004Sopostmortem.pdf).
Btw. welcome back soldner! ;)
Well, as no-one will translate, This is the best I can do, you can get the idea anyway!
After a company, which would like to be called at present not yet in particular, last night the Hosting contract with the JoWooD AG occurred and us glaufhaft explained the fact that the appropriate payment was instructed was taken by our side to mercenaries the SecretWars portal again in enterprise.
Although us by this measure of disadvantages concerning other demands opposite the JoWooD AG. to develop could, we in the interest of all mercenaries players of this assumption of the obligations agreed.
With security a long-term disconnection of the portal would have meant the end of this play, what would not have lain in our interest.
Rectification of various statements of the JoWooD AG
gEasy development would like to take hereby position regarding some statements, those by representatives of the JoWooD Production AG in various media concerning demands gEasy of the GmbH, the notice of the developer contract for mercenary 2 Mercanery Wars and the completion of service achievements for mercenary 1 server Hosting was made.
Our company is not interested in principle to lead arguments in such kind but it is almost infuriating, with which obstinacy JoWooD spreads untrue statements and half truths in slanderous intention.
1) It is maintained, there would be no demands, which does not correspond to the facts from our side against JoWooD. This statement serves obviously for it the appearance to arouse, as if our announcement in the context of the notice of the development contract and the attitude of the Hosting to service for the mercenary the truth would not have corresponded to 1 portal server. For this even to such adventurous Konstrukten it was seized that one obviously in wirschaftlicher dependence to JoWooD standing company HRMC management Johann Ertl, with knowledge and and support from JoWooD, which for the Hosting mercenary of 1 portal which is pending amount with debt-liberating effect took over and the appropriate contract occurred, from which we had already withdrawn. All of this arouses the impression with us that on sides of JoWooD an immense interest must insist to arouse in relation to the public and in the special shareholders the impression, it would have any liabilities at no time opposite our company given those JoWooD would not have followed
2) Further Statments of JoWooD those mean that the project was broken off by JoWooD and communicated to us this, a development contract already 2006 one closed, particularly because of mercenary 2 a Due Diligence team one sent, do not correspond all not to the truth.
3) If JoWooD should persist further in the untrue statements, then we will begin if necessary also the proof by publication of the appropriate documents.
It remains noting that promises were only then fulfilled by JoWooD also in the past always again, after solid pressure was exerted. For example to 15.03.2006 by our side the portal service was already once stopped, since JoWooD had not made the payments to course view ores. Further not one account was provided to course view ores automatically over the Royalties at the sales the times fixed by mercenary 1 based on our Patches at, but these had to be demanded always for months.
Like the own obligations by JoWooD in co-operation with developers to be noticed is absolutely unprofessionell in our opinion and the behaviors opposite these partners are at least morally with security more than only precarious.
Information from http://www.geasyteam.de/
-=PrayingHands=-
27.12.2007, 01:27
Figured I'd post in the "reunion" thread :cool:
I sure do miss the good times we had in this game. Still waiting for something like it. I never held out any hope for Soldner 2 ever being real. :( Now that I've read this thread, I'll have to break it to Fait and SeeR.
I haven't been on this forum since I was banned by Beleen years ago.
Beelen pretty much banned half the english speaking community. At least everyone who disagreed with how things were going or who had a different opinion. And ofcourse the removal of the offtopic section scared away a good portion of the players.. :(
Beelen pretty much banned half the english speaking community. At least everyone who disagreed with how things were going or who had a different opinion. And ofcourse the removal of the offtopic section scared away a good portion of the players.. :(
Is it just me or does this remind you of anything
what a mess!
can someone post a link to a portal status page, to see how many people are playing currently? thanks.
DerTransporteur
19.01.2008, 03:36
http://portal-eu.jowood.de/serverlist/phpSoldner/phpSoldner.php?sort=players
Figured I'd post in the "reunion" thread :cool:
I sure do miss the good times we had in this game. Still waiting for something like it. I never held out any hope for Soldner 2 ever being real. :( Now that I've read this thread, I'll have to break it to Fait and SeeR.
I haven't been on this forum since I was banned by Beleen years ago.
I'm in the same boat as you PH. I was holding out for that slim chance that Soldner 2 would be a hit, hell I even had a couple of my buddies convinced that it would be worth trying. Oh well, looks like Soldner will always be one of those underrated games that nobody remembers.
:D I think your rong, try
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28.01.2008, 22:35
:D I think your rong, try
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28.01.2008, 23:57
Me and the Good ol' redneck's say "GIT-R-DONE!!!ALC"
Thats me Second from the Right
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166 Spieler spielen auf 17 Servern von insgesamt 46 Servern
166 Players playing on 17 servers of complete 46 server :p
so there are 46-17= 29 server where nobodys playing right now :D
Going by an average server price list thats around £1450 each month for all them servers. Priced at an average per 32 slot server = £150 every 3 months x 29 = £4350 / 3 = £1450.
God, somone has alot of money to blow on packets of unsent data ALC
Rather you than me
-=PrayingHands=-
04.02.2008, 18:11
I'm in the same boat as you PH. I was holding out for that slim chance that Soldner 2 would be a hit, hell I even had a couple of my buddies convinced that it would be worth trying. Oh well, looks like Soldner will always be one of those underrated games that nobody remembers.
Good to see you man, as always! Miss pwning with ya. EH + PH total devastation ALC ! I'm gonna PM you my email...Holla Back.
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